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Feel free to leave a message here. --[[User:Wonderist|Wonderist]] 19:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 
Feel free to leave a message here. --[[User:Wonderist|Wonderist]] 19:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
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We're going to need pages for every atheist org.  See what I did with American Atheists?  Feel free to pitch in.  Can you confirm as long as we attribute the work to wiki, we can start with their work?  I want to use the base of the wiki article with attribution and then allow the atheist community to expand on it.  If that's the case then we need to bring all the groups over.  So the page you started for Rational Response Squad could have the wiki from wikipedia brought over here.  And the same for the other orgs.  XC is working on installed the parts that allow us to cut and paste the code straight from wiki with some minor touchups.  --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 04:41, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 
We're going to need pages for every atheist org.  See what I did with American Atheists?  Feel free to pitch in.  Can you confirm as long as we attribute the work to wiki, we can start with their work?  I want to use the base of the wiki article with attribution and then allow the atheist community to expand on it.  If that's the case then we need to bring all the groups over.  So the page you started for Rational Response Squad could have the wiki from wikipedia brought over here.  And the same for the other orgs.  XC is working on installed the parts that allow us to cut and paste the code straight from wiki with some minor touchups.  --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 04:41, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
  
 
I'm interested in stubs for atheist groups (like the top 20 non profits), so people can start filling them out.  Is there a way to link to all the stubs you made? --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 01:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 
I'm interested in stubs for atheist groups (like the top 20 non profits), so people can start filling them out.  Is there a way to link to all the stubs you made? --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 01:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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== Collapsible lists ==
  
 
Regarding your FAQ entry, I just added the common code to make this possible (clear your browser's cache if you see the list items without having to click show):<br />
 
Regarding your FAQ entry, I just added the common code to make this possible (clear your browser's cache if you see the list items without having to click show):<br />
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--[[User:Mrxc|Mrxc]] 03:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 
--[[User:Mrxc|Mrxc]] 03:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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Awesome! But the 'show' link appears in extreme right justification, as opposed to right next to the list title. I was hoping to use collapsible lists to condense the [[FAQ]] pages, so that you'd only see a big list of questions, but you could click on each one to expand it to see the answer.
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The way it works now, I would never have thought it was an expanding list except that you wrote to click 'show'. I thought, "'Show'? Where's that? .... Oh, fuck, it's way over there!" Any way to 'fix' that? Or perhaps to have a special one just for FAQ questions that justifies the 'show' to follow immediately after the question mark? Or better, get the question itself to be clickable and expandable? ?! [[User:Wonderist|Wonderist]] 03:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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<nowiki>:-)</nowiki>  Well, its current behavior probably has to do with how it commonly used.  Instead of being used in a page, it is used in an Infobox, which is fairly skinny, so seeing the "show" would be easy there.  I am not sure how to implement what you describe yet, but what you describe is currently how the "Mobile view" currently works with major section titles.  But to get to it, you have to be using a web browser that indicates that it is a mobile device or click the "Mobile view" in the footer. --[[User:Mrxc|Mrxc]] 03:42, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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I'm adding this here because you are guaranteed to get notified if I respond on your talk page, but not on mine unless you have a watch on it.
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I bet either some other code/template/whatever exists to do the non-right-justification, or else it is probably an easy-ish tweak on whatever the thing is that you used to do the current list. By the way, I don't know much about how to use [[MediaWiki]] templates or whatever it is you used. Would be good to get at least a basic help page on how to use them. (MediaWiki has help pages you can import, but I would just as soon keep ours simple and focused for the time being.)
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Also, check out how I tweaked my signature to add a link to my talk page, so that it will be easier for you to reply. Here's what I used in my prefs: <nowiki>"&#8253; [[User:Wonderist|Wonderist]] ([[User_talk:Wonderist|talk]])"</nowiki> with "Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)" checked/selected. If you add something similar to yours, it might streamline our messaging to each other. &#8253; [[User:Wonderist|Wonderist]] ([[User_talk:Wonderist|talk]]) 04:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for the signature advice.  Right now, "‽" shows up as a "?" looking like thing.  I will use dash-dash for now.
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I am moving the reply here to keep the conversation in one place.  I do not have a watch, but at the moment, there are several "Recent Changes junkies" with myself included, so watches are not needed for me at the moment.
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Since we are including Wikipedia Infoboxes here (and more), we already have to export their templates and import them here, so we cannot create templates with names that exist at Wikipedia.  They have a lot of templates already, and they are very well documented.  It would be difficult to re-implement their Infoboxes here with our own templates.  When we have finished re-implementing, it would probably be almost as complicated as theirs.  Hopefully less complicated, but not that less complicated to make it worthwhile.
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Even the simple templates can be confusing to most people.  So I would rather not have to build, maintain, and document my own because only a few people would be able to help.  Creating our own simplified templates would be simpler for people who understand templates, but for those few, it is also possible to understand how to use Wikipedia's templates.
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I am not against creating our own simple templates, but nothing as complicated as the Infoboxes.  The collapsible list might be just a simple template that surrounds the text with the Nav* divs.
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Here is some documentation that I found related to your question:
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* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Collapsible_list
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* http://dofuswiki.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Dynamic_navigation
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* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Hidden_top
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{{hidden begin
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|toggle    = left
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|title      = A list of items with the toggle to the left
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}}
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* List item 1
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* List item 2
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* List item 3
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{{hidden end}}
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<div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="width: 100%; position: relative; border: medium none;">
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  <div class="NavHead" style="width: 2.8em; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent; position: absolute;"></div>
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  <div style="height: 1.6em; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent; text-align: left; padding-left: 2.3em; font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;">
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&nbsp; A list of items with the toggle to the left
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  </div>
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  <div class="NavContent" style="text-align: left; padding-left: 0.3em;">
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* List item 1
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* List item 2
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* List item 3
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  </div>
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</div>
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--[[User:Mrxc|Mrxc]] <small>''([[User talk:Mrxc|Talk]])''</small> 05:34, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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Fair enough on keeping it in one place.
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How difficult would it be to
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* copy the 'hidden' template,
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* rename it to 'faq',
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* make it left-aligning by default
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* and rename the 'title' parameter to 'question'?
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Seems to me it should be pretty easy, assuming WP doesn't already have a 'faq' template. It you let me know which are the critical templates to modify, then I might even be able to do it myself and send it to you or post it here. Are templates strictly written using that triple-curly syntax, or is there additional code that needs to be done to implement a new one? If it's just the triple-curly syntax, I'm confident I can handle it.
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I like your small 'talk'; ''<yoink>''. The ? thing wasn't intended as a suggestion for you. It's just a different symbol I like, instead of boring old --. I added a link on it to explain for the inevitable questioners. [[Interrobang|&#8253;]] [[User:Wonderist|Wonderist]] <small>''([[User_talk:Wonderist|talk]])''</small> 15:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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Experimenting: [[Template:Faq begin]], [[Template:Faq end]]
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{{faq begin|question=Will this work?}}
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Yes.
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{{faq end}}
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Hmm. Well, it works, but I'm actually not totally satisfied because it makes the answers inaccessible to searching or scanning by sight.
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Perhaps the best way will be to have a table of contents instead.
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Mrxc: Yes, I agree that the TOC is probably a better solution.  When the list of questions become long enough, we can add sections for each class of questions.
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The interrobang makes sense now.  It was just hard to make it out with such a small font, but now that I know it and you have converted it to a hyperlink, it is easy to recognize now. --[[User:Mrxc|Mrxc]] <small>''([[User talk:Mrxc|Talk]])''</small> 23:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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== Interrobang ==
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[[Template:Interrobang]]
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== Trying to get our vision to work ==
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http://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Atheism_United_Blogger <-- check that page and you'll notice trhe red "our vision."  Compare to this page which it is supposed to link to and please help me figure it out: http://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Our_Vision --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 03:26, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
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See [[User_talk:Brian#'Our vision' page|this section of your talk page]] [[Interrobang|{{Interrobang}}]] [[User:Wonderist|Wonderist]] <small>''([[User_talk:Wonderist|talk]])''</small> 07:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
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== Templates ==
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Great job on the amazon template!  Is there a place where all the templates are displayed?  We have a bunch. --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 05:46, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
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Two main places right now: [[:Category:Templates]], and the [[Special:UncategorizedTemplates]] page. We should eventually categorize all the templates we use and organize them that way. I've added [[:Category:Templates]] to [[Template:Movie link]] and [[Template:Book link]] as an example of that. {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 10:09, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
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== Home page ==
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Please take the bull by the horns on the homepage.  All I need is for the Activist To-Do List to get prominent placement.  The XC to-do list doesn't need to be on the homepage I don't think.  The homepage itself should get overhauled.  Please feel free to add content how you want it added to the homepage!  Deal? --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 00:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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== Categories ==
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* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multi-Category_Search
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* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
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* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_%28Wikimedia%29
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* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion
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* meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Link
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== have any Facebook page ? ==
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FB page or group

Latest revision as of 10:56, 20 March 2013

Feel free to leave a message here. --Wonderist 19:15, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

/subpage?

We're going to need pages for every atheist org. See what I did with American Atheists? Feel free to pitch in. Can you confirm as long as we attribute the work to wiki, we can start with their work? I want to use the base of the wiki article with attribution and then allow the atheist community to expand on it. If that's the case then we need to bring all the groups over. So the page you started for Rational Response Squad could have the wiki from wikipedia brought over here. And the same for the other orgs. XC is working on installed the parts that allow us to cut and paste the code straight from wiki with some minor touchups. --Brian 04:41, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm interested in stubs for atheist groups (like the top 20 non profits), so people can start filling them out. Is there a way to link to all the stubs you made? --Brian 01:32, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Collapsible lists

Regarding your FAQ entry, I just added the common code to make this possible (clear your browser's cache if you see the list items without having to click show):

--Mrxc 03:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Awesome! But the 'show' link appears in extreme right justification, as opposed to right next to the list title. I was hoping to use collapsible lists to condense the FAQ pages, so that you'd only see a big list of questions, but you could click on each one to expand it to see the answer.

The way it works now, I would never have thought it was an expanding list except that you wrote to click 'show'. I thought, "'Show'? Where's that? .... Oh, fuck, it's way over there!" Any way to 'fix' that? Or perhaps to have a special one just for FAQ questions that justifies the 'show' to follow immediately after the question mark? Or better, get the question itself to be clickable and expandable? ?! Wonderist 03:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

:-) Well, its current behavior probably has to do with how it commonly used. Instead of being used in a page, it is used in an Infobox, which is fairly skinny, so seeing the "show" would be easy there. I am not sure how to implement what you describe yet, but what you describe is currently how the "Mobile view" currently works with major section titles. But to get to it, you have to be using a web browser that indicates that it is a mobile device or click the "Mobile view" in the footer. --Mrxc 03:42, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm adding this here because you are guaranteed to get notified if I respond on your talk page, but not on mine unless you have a watch on it.

I bet either some other code/template/whatever exists to do the non-right-justification, or else it is probably an easy-ish tweak on whatever the thing is that you used to do the current list. By the way, I don't know much about how to use MediaWiki templates or whatever it is you used. Would be good to get at least a basic help page on how to use them. (MediaWiki has help pages you can import, but I would just as soon keep ours simple and focused for the time being.)

Also, check out how I tweaked my signature to add a link to my talk page, so that it will be easier for you to reply. Here's what I used in my prefs: "‽ [[User:Wonderist|Wonderist]] ([[User_talk:Wonderist|talk]])" with "Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)" checked/selected. If you add something similar to yours, it might streamline our messaging to each other. ‽ Wonderist (talk) 04:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the signature advice. Right now, "‽" shows up as a "?" looking like thing. I will use dash-dash for now.

I am moving the reply here to keep the conversation in one place. I do not have a watch, but at the moment, there are several "Recent Changes junkies" with myself included, so watches are not needed for me at the moment.

Since we are including Wikipedia Infoboxes here (and more), we already have to export their templates and import them here, so we cannot create templates with names that exist at Wikipedia. They have a lot of templates already, and they are very well documented. It would be difficult to re-implement their Infoboxes here with our own templates. When we have finished re-implementing, it would probably be almost as complicated as theirs. Hopefully less complicated, but not that less complicated to make it worthwhile.

Even the simple templates can be confusing to most people. So I would rather not have to build, maintain, and document my own because only a few people would be able to help. Creating our own simplified templates would be simpler for people who understand templates, but for those few, it is also possible to understand how to use Wikipedia's templates.

I am not against creating our own simple templates, but nothing as complicated as the Infoboxes. The collapsible list might be just a simple template that surrounds the text with the Nav* divs.

Here is some documentation that I found related to your question:

--Mrxc (Talk) 05:34, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough on keeping it in one place.

How difficult would it be to

  • copy the 'hidden' template,
  • rename it to 'faq',
  • make it left-aligning by default
  • and rename the 'title' parameter to 'question'?

Seems to me it should be pretty easy, assuming WP doesn't already have a 'faq' template. It you let me know which are the critical templates to modify, then I might even be able to do it myself and send it to you or post it here. Are templates strictly written using that triple-curly syntax, or is there additional code that needs to be done to implement a new one? If it's just the triple-curly syntax, I'm confident I can handle it.

I like your small 'talk'; <yoink>. The ? thing wasn't intended as a suggestion for you. It's just a different symbol I like, instead of boring old --. I added a link on it to explain for the inevitable questioners. ‽ Wonderist (talk) 15:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Experimenting: Template:Faq begin, Template:Faq end

Hmm. Well, it works, but I'm actually not totally satisfied because it makes the answers inaccessible to searching or scanning by sight.

Perhaps the best way will be to have a table of contents instead.

Mrxc: Yes, I agree that the TOC is probably a better solution. When the list of questions become long enough, we can add sections for each class of questions.

The interrobang makes sense now. It was just hard to make it out with such a small font, but now that I know it and you have converted it to a hyperlink, it is easy to recognize now. --Mrxc (Talk) 23:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Interrobang

Template:Interrobang

Trying to get our vision to work

http://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Atheism_United_Blogger <-- check that page and you'll notice trhe red "our vision." Compare to this page which it is supposed to link to and please help me figure it out: http://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Our_Vision --Brian 03:26, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

See this section of your talk page ‽ Wonderist (talk) 07:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Templates

Great job on the amazon template! Is there a place where all the templates are displayed? We have a bunch. --Brian 05:46, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Two main places right now: Category:Templates, and the Special:UncategorizedTemplates page. We should eventually categorize all the templates we use and organize them that way. I've added Category:Templates to Template:Movie link and Template:Book link as an example of that. ‽ Wonderist (talk) 10:09, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


Home page

Please take the bull by the horns on the homepage. All I need is for the Activist To-Do List to get prominent placement. The XC to-do list doesn't need to be on the homepage I don't think. The homepage itself should get overhauled. Please feel free to add content how you want it added to the homepage! Deal? --Brian 00:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Categories

have any Facebook page ?

FB page or group

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